Interview with Volksieg Wodensson

Posted on 9/23/2012

Volksieg Wodensson is an Experimental Noise/Musician, Odinist and National-Anarchist from Bracknell, England. Black Gnosis recently tracked him down for a brain-picking session. 

BG: Do you recall when you first became interested in music? And what are your musical influences? 

VW: Well, it's hard to say when music became a major part of my life. I remember being particularly taken by Wagner and one of my earliest memories is hearing the Tannhauser Overture, being used on an advert for toilet cleaner no less, and being swept away by the sheer power and majesty of that magnificent piece of music as I watched the bleach cascading down the toilet bowl. 

I was struck, at a very early age, by music's power to tell a story. I was also an incredibly independently minded child, which is something I have carried into adulthood, and I sometimes joke that my independent streak owes far more to the song "I'm glad that I'm Bugs Bunny" than it does to any particular philosophy I may have come into contact with at a later age. 

I soon developed an interest in sound and how it affects consciousness and would spend many hours detuning radios and recording the interference. I would spend a lot of time listening to these recordings on headphones and found that they allowed me to drift off into, what can only be described as, deep trance states. It still amuses me to this day when I consider that, totally unbeknownst to me at the time, similar experiments were being conducted by such people as Genesis P-Orridge, Boyd Rice etc. and here I was, a child of no more than 9 years old, in a council estate in Berkshire. I was a rather strange child to say the least... 

Throughout my early childhood I devoured any music I came into contact with though as my age reached double figures, like so many people, I became what can only be described as a bonafide "music fan" with the discovery of Heavy Metal and, in particular, Iron Maiden. Something which had annoyed me as a child was popular music's obsession with love and relationships. I remember thinking that there must be something more to life, and other avenues worthy of exploration, than this endless parade of "ooh baby, baby, baby..etc" and was rather pleasantly surprised to discover an entire genre that explored such subjects as the nature of evil, warfare and even great works of literature and poetry. I sometimes feel that bands such as Iron Maiden do not get the credit they deserve when I consider such tracks as The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner or, indeed, Powerslave which explores the idea of growing up as an Egyptian Pharaoh, worshiped as a living god and then, as one's twilight years approach, suddenly being faced with one's own mortality. 

I would say that the real turning point was when I was thirteen and discovered two of the most influential albums in my life: The first was Flowers of Romance by Public Image Ltd (a magnificently terrifying album) and the other one usually surprises people somewhat: Once Around The World by It Bites. What struck me about Flowers was that it really was unlike anything I had ever heard before and, to this day, I am still amazed by how utterly different it sounds. In many ways it confirmed my suspicions that music does not have to sound like "music", in the accepted sense, and that there are a whole range of sounds the composer can add to their palette instead of being bound by conventional instrumentation. It also developed an understanding that, for music to be considered great, it doesn't have to be a particularly enjoyable experience, in the conventional sense at least. With It Bites, I was impressed with their use of music, incorporating all manner of different styles, as a means of telling a story and have long considered the track Once Around The World, a song of almost mythic proportions about little more than a day in the life of an average person, as the Ulysses of Prog-pop. 

From there I became an avid collector of all manner of different styles. If it was "different", I would pounce upon it. This is how I discovered the other great influences in my life: The Industrial scene (by which I mean the art movement centered around such characters as Orridge, Rice, Cazazza, etc al, rather than the Disco/Metal hybrid that has, much to my annoyance, assumed the same name) and Neo-Folk. 

Over all I have incredibly catholic tastes and it is rare for any music I come into contact with to not leave some form of imprint so, if I was to provide a total list of musical influences, I fear most readers would die of old age before reaching halfway.

BG: Your music gestures outside the Self, to a quasi-religious, psychedelic experience, or some form of spiritual epiphany. Are these qualities deliberate in your work?

VW: Firstly, I'd like to say thank you for noticing! Something that has always fascinated me is the idea of transcendence and man's ability and desire to reach for higher realms of consciousness and experience. This essentially Faustian quest is something that has driven me in many of my pursuits and I have always intended my music, and any other form of art I may pursue at any given time, to act as a catalyst in others.

My own particular experiments, over the years, have spanned such diverse topics as the exploration of trance states, Ceremonial Magick, Psychedelic experiences, the idea of cutting up and reconstructing "reality" utilizing the many techniques as explored by the artist Brion Gysin & William Burroughs, via their technique known as "cut up", the Sigil magick of Austin Osman Spare, the Chaos Magick current and, of course, Thee Temple Ov Psychick Youth and, last but not least, the many experiments of Guerrilla Ontologist Robert Anton Wilson.

It was through these interests that I came to regard music, and art in general, as an incredibly powerful form of Magick. If one is to accept Crowley's definition of Magick as "The Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will" then this should soon become readily apparent. It is via these experiments that I soon became aware of entities, for want of a better word, that share these different realms of consciousness with us. If one considers 'reality', and our experience of it, as just one of many different states of consciousness, it soon becomes apparent, to me at least, that these other 'realities' are also populated by intelligences, both benevolent and malevolent, that are more than willing to interact with us. It was on these journeys into other realms of consciousness that I encountered the Aesir & Vanir, the ancient gods of Northern Europe, which resulted in me dedicating myself to the path of Odinism. Whether these gods are beings who actually enjoy an independent form of existence beyond the recesses of my own mind, or the collective subconscious of Northern Europeans, is something I do not feel qualified to answer though, that said, I do feel that they do exist inasmuch as a dream or a thought is also 'real'. If one says "I had a dream last night" or "I just had a funny thought" it is rare that someone will spring up shouting "Rubbish! Prove it!". The Gods are as real as they need to be and, in many ways, I think that applies to us mere mortals as well.

BG: Have you ever experienced anything that could be described as supernatural, paranormal or otherwise inexplicable? 

VW: On an almost weekly basis! *laughs*

I prefer the term 'paranormal', as opposed to 'supernatural', as it suggests experience beyond the norm whereas 'supernatural' would suggest something beyond nature and I consider even the gods, and the various other entities one may meet along the way, as being very much a part - albeit a rarely experienced part - of the natural world. If one starts considering the idea of anything existing beyond that, then one is delving into Lovecraftian territory and one only has to pick up one of his short stories (or perhaps visit the local mosque?) to see what becomes of people who start considering that kind of thing too deeply.

Apart from the various conversations I have had with Odin and Freyja in particular (I keep these to myself as they are rather personal conversations and, unlike some who may consider themselves prophets of some sort, I think the messages they share with me are for my own consumption and of little use to others.) I also had the rather strange experience of living in a haunted flat until fairly recently. It was the usual kind of thing: Light switches turning on and off, kettles suddenly boiling, cold spots, shadowy figures...etc... He was a rather friendly chap really and, since moving home, I have to say we rather miss him.

Also, when living in Somerset, I was witness to an ABC (Alien Big Cat). I remember walking to the newsagents to pick up my copy of Fortean Times when I suddenly had the sense that something was watching me! Looking over towards the local church I saw a rather large feline, with a grey coat, starring straight at me from the graveyard. Judging the scale of this beast from the tombstones, I ascertained that it was about the size of a Great Dane. It was a rather invigorating experience to say the least, as I am sure you can imagine. Remembering that one should never run from a predator, I slowly walked away from this creature until I had put enough distance between us, and quickened my steps. What amuses me no end was that, once I reached the Newsagents, I asked the guy behind the counter if any animals had escaped from Bristol Zoo. He looked at me and replied "I can already guess what you're going to say next. Don't worry yourself about it! It's just the Brean Lion! Everyone round here has seen him."

Apart from those particular incidents, I have also had varying degrees of success with my experiments in Magick. Nothing spectacularly ridiculous, such as lightening bolts from the fingertips, but certainly enough to convince me that the world we live in is far more mysterious than they tell us in school.

Something that anyone who has explored some of the things I have will tell you is that maddening coincidences start to plague your every waking moment! Not a day passes when some synchronicitous event doesn't slap me in the face. A man could go quite mad... and perhaps I have! I shall leave that for the reader to decide. *laughs*

BG: Are you inspired by any other media? 

VW: Very much so. As far as paintings and such are considered, I'm afraid my influences sound rather like an inventory of the average student's bedroom wall. All the usual suspects are present such as Dali, Munch, Giger. I am also rather taken by the DaDa Movement. These artists have been a great inspiration to me over the years. I'm also heavily influenced by literature of all kinds. The power of the written word is undeniable and I'm rather inspired by Lovecraft as I tend to identify somewhat with the stream of alienation that runs throughout his work. A friend of mine once told me that I remind him of the sort of character one finds within a Lovecraft short story and, whether it was his intention or not, I take that as a compliment! Another author who has inspired me greatly is Robert A Heinlein, especially Stranger In A Strange Land with it's message of liberation and, of course, what happens to those who offer it. Of course Orwell and Huxley's influence on me is undeniable even if it has become somewhat of a cliche to refer to their works... of course cliches are like stereotypes in that regard. They don't just spring up creatio ex nihilo!

BG: You recently contributed a chapter to the book, 'National-Anarchism: Ideas and Concepts' by Black Front Press. So you're obviously a National-Anarchist? What appeals to you about that ideology?

VW: I certainly did and it was a great honour to be asked by Troy Southgate to offer my contribution. As to whether I am a National-Anarchist? Most definitely! What attracts me the most to the National-Anarchist Movement is that, to my mind at least, they are a manifestation of Anarchism in its purest form. The very fact that it is viewed with so much suspicion and, in many cases utter hatred, by both the Left and Right can only be an indication that we must be doing something right.

One of the most common accusations pointed at the N-AM by the supposed Anarchist community is that we are just Nazis playing "dress up" which is rather amusing, in a sense, as I consider this a wonderful case of projection really when one considers that most Anarchists are, in fact, little more than Marxists playing "dress up". This stems, mainly, from N-A's acceptance of the existence of race (backed up by science, no less, as well as common sense.) and its defence of the right to separate on racial grounds. This is due to one of the many false dichotomies that suffuse this modern Liberal Democracy, propounded by Cultural Marxism: The idea that one must either totally reject the very existence of race, despite all scientific evidence to the contrary, OR you are some kind of blood thirsty Nazi killing machine who hates anyone who is not of your particular racial group! That is, on examination, the same as saying that if a man, for instance, loves his wife he must utterly despise every other woman on the planet. Utter lunacy. It should also be pointed out, of course, that National-Anarchism not only supports the right of people to separate on racial grounds (including those who may wish to live in multi-racial communities) but also on cultural, religious and even sexual terms. Anarchism is, essentially, based on the concept of mutualism and freedom of association and, the very minute one starts dictating what is or is not respectable or reasonable grounds for starting up an Anarchist community... well... you have lost all right to call yourself an Anarchist.

Freedom, by its very definition, cannot come with provisos. Another factor that has lent itself to this particular accusation is that many within the N-AM have a background in what is, somewhat erroneously termed, the "Far Right". This is, of course, utterly true but it can also be said that many within the N-AM have a background in what is known as the "Far Left" also. Personally I am not interested in what somebody used to be! It is far more important to acknowledge what a person has become and N-AM offers, perhaps, a refuge for those who do not necessarily fit within the preconceived and comfortable pigeon holes that The State and its goons have created for us. N-AM is truly a movement that is "Beyond Left and Right". Ultimately, National-Anarchism has a vision for this world and that vision is a world in which all peoples, regardless of race, creed, culture, sexual persuasion, etc, can live in totally voluntary, self governing, self-sufficient communities with like minded people! Free to pursue their dreams and celebrate their own uniqueness without fear, persecution and, more importantly, the constant need to compromise their vision or constantly have to waste time reassuring the outsider that they are not a threat; endlessly having to justify their existence and, most important of all, it wishes to bring an end to the tyranny of the State. Sounds like paradise, no? Who could have a problem with that? Unfortunately those who wear the mask of "freedom" seem to have a really big problem with this idea. The problem? It isn't their particular brand of "freedom" we are offering the world and they will not rest until we have all become enslaved by their own particular brand of "freedom". I've lost count of the times I have heard people say, on the one hand, "down with the New World Order!", "death to Globalism!", "stop the One World Government!" and then, with the other, say such things as "wouldn't it be great if the world was as one? One race! One creed!" Personally I call that insanity. I'd also go as far as to call that genocide.

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